KISS on the Porch: From Face Paint to First Shows

Porch Catch-Up And Home Updates

SPEAKER_04 1:21

Tom, what's going on? Not much. How are you? Hope it tasted better. Oh. Here we are on the porch again, bud.

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Again.

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Another nice day. Mr. Bird seems to be here again, too, with us. Yeah. Very nice for him to sing us a little lullaby.

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We have several birds up here now on the power lines.

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Yeah. Chirp, chirp, chirp.

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Nice breeze blowing.

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Yeah, it's been a little bit since we've been on.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's been a bit.

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You were finally back to work a couple weeks ago.

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Yeah. Been laid up, but got back on my wheels.

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Last weekend you had a little anniversary trip. Yeah. You and the missus.

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We did. Number 39.

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Some other lady. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. Enjoyed that. Do you enjoy being back to work?

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Uh like a golf shoe to the crotch.

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There you go. There you go. There's the time we know.

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Yeah, that's how I enjoy it.

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So still chaotic. Yeah. You haven't missed anything. If anything, it's gotten worse. Yeah. You just wait till next week. Woo! Here it comes. And the week after. Yep. Let's put uh ten pounds of shit in a five-pound bag. We'll make it work. No doubt. Anyways, moving on. How's everything been going?

SPEAKER_03 2:45

So far so you know, home life and all that? Yeah. Yeah, it's doing real well.

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Same old porch time all the time for me.

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Yeah, we uh finally got the the sewer thing fixed.

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Oh no more burning the old poop or anything? No. No, that's good.

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Good thing you have to.

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So little house on the prairie days, Dun.

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Yeah, little house on the prairie days are over. And well the problem is now I got a little house on the prairie with no grass. So half my yard is dirt now. So it is really a prairie. Yeah. But anyway, we'll work on that. We've got some grass seed coming in, and yeah. I got a lot of weeds. Yeah, well the that's the good thing. We we haven't really had to mow. Well, once you mow the weeds, it looks pretty good. But you don't want to kill the grass in the meantime,

Drought Talk And Water Worries

SPEAKER_03 3:40

so at this point, Tom, I'm ready to just burn the whole thing and let it start over. Yeah, well, I think we're gonna get a little bit of rain next day or two. It looks like it's gonna rain now.

SPEAKER_04 3:51

Let's hope it does. Yeah, if we're supposed to get a couple showers this afternoon. What are we on? Like almost two months of a drought?

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Yeah.

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We're gonna get rain. It sprinkles.

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Yeah. But they they say we're gonna have to shut down boat landing and stuff like that if it don't turn around.

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Yeah, they're asking people around here to kind of uh be easy on the water.

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Voluntary. Yeah, voluntary. Yeah. Well, Charlotte's on a band. They got a water band right now.

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You got how many people living in the city? That's the difference. And a lot of people around here have wells, but those could run dry too.

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See, my that's what I have as well. Depends where you are. Yep.

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Good flow. Good flow.

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Yeah, I don't think they would pump water all the way out to my house.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

No. Not out there in his cupcakes. Speaking of, uh you gotta cut the cord on squeak there finally?

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Yeah.

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With his little extension cords.

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Yeah, he's got them things running all over the place. Who's paying for that? You know. Oh yeah, it's on your electric. Yeah, it's on my electric, but Ernest Lewis pays for that.

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Ernest Lewis.

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He's still shacking up there with Squeak.

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Yeah, he's been there for a little bit. Yeah, on and off. You got quite the little adventure. Yeah. Adventure. I call it drama. Squeak. Yeah. He

How We First Found KISS

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kissed. Look, you want to get into our little nostalgic trip? Yes, I do. The band Kiss. Yeah. I'm ready for it. I love kiss. We both love kiss a lot. We don't like to kiss each other. That's not what we're saying. No. No. No, no. We're not really a couple.

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No.

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Anyway, anywho. No who. No, no who. So I think when I first started getting the kiss, I told the on the podcast I was in the suite for the longest time. Right. I was just kidding in school, Mike Arnold. And uh, always into kissing come in dressed like Kiss sometimes, always carrying the albums. Right. Uh then he came in with Kiss Alive.

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Oh yeah.

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And you back then we used to go into the library, you know, turn tables, bring your album in, play it. Headphones, add the little headphone jacks. Yep. And that was pretty much my start to kiss. And then from there, Tom, just to make a long story short, I bought up Kiss, uh, Hutter Than Hell. Oh yeah. Hotter Than Hell, uh, we'll talk about that after though. Then I bought uh Dress to Kill. Right. Then what was after that? After Dress to Kill was Which one was that?

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Destroyer.

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Nope. It was uh yeah, it was Destroyer. That was a kick-ass album.

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Yes.

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That I think from we'll we'll talk about it later. But pretty much to that point. Rock and Roll Over was I bought that without actually like like I said, I just went on a journey with Kiss After because of course, you know, who didn't when you're a kid. Right, well larger than life and well I think it went And it looked bad and evil.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Yeah, see that's what got me was the blood on Gene Simmons fire and it's like oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 7:11

I mean you hear these stupid things for him, like acting like a Knights in Service obsession. No, it's just a damn name. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, all that hoopla and well we'll get we'll start off with uh Kiss, the first album. When was the first time you actually heard that? Well, I mean you must have heard Other Kiss first and then went backwards like I did. Like everybody, you know, right. You didn't really get into them when they first came out. Not not no, because I was too young. Right. But I remember So what was your first Kiss album that you heard, actually, or Kiss song? Do you remember that at all?

SPEAKER_03 7:48

Um I I remember more of a a situation that that brought me into KISS all well, there's not one certain song, which is I used to run around with this guy. Okay, who long story short, he became a police officer, died in the on duty, and back to I remember this on our podcast, Tom Acts. I spoke to him once. But I would stay with him and he would have these albums and we'd listen, and we'd all pretend like we were kiss air guitars and drums and that. Each one of us had our own thing, you know. Uh but we be the cat. Yeah, yeah, be the star. Exactly. And that's how that all happened. And uh I ended up being ace and it was just on from there.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

Ace was the honest with you. My first kiss song because of that kiss alive was when I heard rock and roll all night. Yeah. Yeah, that's probably and then like I said, that's what made me I gotta get these albums. And of course, I looked at the albums and I'm like, well, I'm gonna get them in order.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

Right. And Love Gun, I think, was one of the great albums. Stands out for you. Okay. And uh, yeah, when we would stand up there and pretend to see was destroyer.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

That's what I really I mean, that was a great album. Like I said, I loved every sign that me and this friend of mine, Doug Raymond, in I think seventh grade, painting a mural and art class of that album cover. Oh, yeah. More him with his artistic, right? Just adding the colors in. I gotcha. I'm not a good artist, man. Crayons. Yeah, crayons. But yeah, that started that. But let's let's get into

Ranking The Early Studio Albums

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Kiss the First Album. Right? To me, a lot of great songs on that album. When that first album, like I said, you know, my first was Rock and Roll Night, whatever else. You heard of most of those songs on that live album. Exactly. But then you hear the studio album and a lot of songs you don't hear. But most of these you did. Strutter, that's one of my favorites on there. Yep. Uh then you got Firehouse, another excellent tune. Yeah, yeah. Cold Gin. Oh yeah. Deuce, 100,000 years. And both you and I like Kissin' Time. Yep, Kissin' Time. That's the last song. It's got an old time. Yep. And then we found out uh was it another band that sang that? No, that was something different. Yep. We'll get to that. That was another song, yeah. The Melvins. You're right. Yeah. Alright, uh, from that album, Hotter Than Hell, I didn't really like that album so much, Tom. The songs I really liked on that album are Parasite and Hotter Than Hell. I didn't really like a lot of the other songs on. I don't know what it is. It's just like And I think at that time too, to be honest, I was starting to get into Thin Lizzie stuff too. It had nothing to do with it. It's just I went back to the other albums more. I gotcha. You know, Kiss Alive and Kiss. So do you have any thoughts? Do you remember Hotter Than Hell? Do you ever listen to it?

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Well, yeah, of course, we would play that. Right, we would play that over. But you know, funny thing, the hotter than hell. Every time I I listen to that, I go back and I I remember the damn song from uh Kiss Meets the Phantom. Oh, that yeah, that movie. Yeah. Sir, sir, destroy or something. Isn't it seek Seeking Destroy? Yeah, that was it.

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Starman.

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Yeah. Space Ace.

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Demon Child. Space Ace. Cat Man. And we thought that was sounded stupid, but we looked it up and it was actually Cat Man.

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Yep, yep, it was.

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Cat Man Deuce. No. Bob Seeger song.

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Yeah. Yeah, which was a good song.

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Yes, absolutely. So, okay, not impressed with that album.

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Yeah, that was one of their slow.

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Dress to Kill. Another good. That's a good album. Getaway. I like that one. I think that's Peter Chris singing that one, if I'm correct. I'm done. Getaway. Come on and love me. That's one of my favorites on that. She.

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She's a good one.

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I love that too. Gene Simmons. And then of course Rock and Roll All Night.

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Yeah.

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All good songs.

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Yeah, one of their probably most.

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As we were talking about, Destroyer.

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Yep.

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Tom, every song on that. Yeah, it rocked. I love it all. That whole album rocked. Everything. Except for I get a little weird about Great Expectations.

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Great Expectations.

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Is that Expectations or something stupid? It's a really it's got like a choir in it and everything.

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Something like that, yeah.

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Something messed up. But yeah, that was a weird sign now, but everything else, King of the Nighttime World.

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Yeah, I'm King of the Nighttime World. Yes.

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We won't be singing the whole album, people.

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Oh, no, we're not. We could.

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If you want us to, we will. We'll have no problem doing that. We're not shy.

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We probably are.

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Tom's definitely not shy. Nope. Tell him what to do, he'll do it. Wait a minute.

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To an extent. To an extent? And then it becomes money. Okay.

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So Detroit Rock City. Yeah. Good song off that destroyer album. Right. King of the Nighttime World, we already discussed. Right. God of Thunder. And rock and roll. Great expectations. Oh my God. Yep, that's a name. So then we got Flaming Youth. My parents think I'm lazy and they hate the things I do. Sweet Pain. Sweet Pain. Shut down. Shout it out loud. Another good anthem. That's a great anthem song. Sha. Well then that's be. Alright, Beth.

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Great song by Peter Chris. I remember I sang that a cappello one time. Oh, you told me in a little Yeah, in a Whoopi Day in Kansas. It was like a big celebration. Yeah, it was Whoopi Day. They it was a celebration for them being a town for so many years, and they had it every year. Oh, they called it Whoopee? Yeah, called it Whoopi Day. Oh. And and they had all kinds of games and different things, and they had a gong show. That's what it was. And I got up there and the first time was Billy Don't Be a Hero. And then the next year was Beth.

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Anyways. Anywho. So, yeah, and then Do You Love Me? No. No, that's a song. Oh, oh. That's the song. Oh, okay. We're not a couple. Now, what did you think about Rock and Roll Over? Uh I I I liked it, but it wasn't my favorite. It wasn't mine, but there was a lot of good songs on that one. Don't forget you had. Don't forget you were. I want you. Mr. Speed. See you. Make in Love. There's a lot of good songs on that one.

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There are. There are. But I don't know. There's just a lot of things.

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It might have been something you just missed, maybe, or something, or just I don't know.

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It's just actually one of the so many, so many. And you know me with my rock music anyway.

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Obviously. I'm one of those guys that where you hear the song, you know the song. Me, it's like I got this little what's this little bee want? I don't know. He wants something over there. We should go in that pan and get chopped up. That'd be pretty cool, man. Anyways, we like it. Callin' Doctor Love. Yep. Another good song. Ladies' Room. Baby Driver, another song by Peter Chris. Sung by Peter Chris. Yep. Love Em and Leave Hem. Love Em. Of course Gene Simmons. Right. Mr. Speed, great song. See You in Your Dreams, that's okay. Hard Luck Woman, great song.

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That was the one. What's that? That was Hard Luck Woman was one of my favorite songs.

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That's a good song. That was and it's weird when it first came out. A lot of people thought it sounded like Rod Stewart, and it kind of does a little bit, because Rod Stewart was big back then.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

What I liked about it is it was a you could hear the strings on the guitar when it was moving. That was what acoustic guitar stuff. That was what got it for me, is that just raw guitar playing, clear voice singing. Wasn't that Paul? Paul's.

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No, that was Peter Chris singing. Hard luck woman. Was it? Yep.

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Yeah.

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Peter Chris. That's what I mean. It sounded like that rashy voice. That's why it's a lot of people at one time, if you didn't know who it was, it sounded like a Brad Stewart song. Right.

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Right, right.

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But uh, Tom, I think we're gonna take a break here for the little dudes. Okay. Let them get out and we'll uh continue our little kiss talk when we come back. Talk about concerts and shit we've been to and stuff like that. And what other albums we when we stopped listening really to KISS, I guess. Never really stopped, but never pursued the deep albums that went on. Alright, folks, we're gonna let the little dudes come in and we'll be right back.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Hello, squeak. Uh-huh, right. I said hello. Oh. I thought you said jelly, squeak. I was like, yeah.

Love Gun Era And Falling Off

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I said I had to go in the beginning. That's no. That's no. Yeah. I'm out of here. I don't even know what to say to you, buddy. I know one thing. I'm out.

SPEAKER_04 30:25

Okay. So uh Squeaks thinks that Minikiss is the real kiss.

SPEAKER_03 30:30

Yeah, he's an idiot.

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I seen him over this local over here. Yeah. No, no, that's not the real kiss, dude. I seen him. A kiss is a kiss. Oh, anyways. Back to the real kiss. Yes. Let's see, the next album was Love Gun.

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Oh, Love Gun.

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Another another great album. Great tracks on that album.

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One of the greatest lyrics. You pulled the trigger upon. My Love Gun. Love Gun.

SPEAKER_04 31:02

And I gotta admit, that's a great song. But I love I Stole Your Love. I love that love. Stole Gun. It's just a high-energy song.

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Stole Love?

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Yeah. And Gene Simmons, Christine 16. 16. And I saw you coming out of school that day. I knew. Perfect. I knew. Okay, Gene, easy buddy. Yeah, ho fella. Then Gene's got love for sale. That makes you do. How about It's Fairly Shock Me.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

Yeah. Make me feel better. That's a great song. Yeah. Great so I mean he had a great guitar solo in that too, didn't he?

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That's a good guitar solo. He had a sound of his own. Yeah.

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I like I like Rested PCAs. Yep. I was glad to see him. I I did catch him at a little local venue. Freely in the comments.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

I saw Freely in the Comets at D.M. Lowe's and Wister Mask. It was pretty fun. Good times. It's freely. I hey. Whatever his demons were or whatever.

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He was still good.

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That was catch to me. All four of those guys. Alright, uh, what else we got? What gun you talk about? Yeah. Great song. Cool again, Peter Chris song. Yeah. I do remember that. Uh Almost Human. I think that's Gene. I think that's Gene Simmons. I believe. Plasticaster. We all know what that was. Yeah. But anyway, and that Tom, I gotta admit, after that, uh kind of lost interest in Kiss a lot, but I still listen to all the old stuff. Dynasty?

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That's a funny, funny situation on that.

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And that's you want to know something funnier?

First KISS Shows And Road Stories

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And it's all because I'm young still. Right. 36. I that's my first time I saw KISS was a dynasty tour. I saw a Providence Civic Center and sometime in August, but anyways, that's when I saw him. So that was the first time, and I think New England, the band New England, opened up for him then. Never local band up in the Northeast area. Great songs. If you ever get a chance, listen to that band. But anyways, that was my first first concert, of course. I want to see Kiss. All those other songs. And you know what? Yeah, they played that song. Now I was made for loving you, but they played all the other old songs, which made it freaking awesome. Yeah, so that was my first first Kiss concert.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, as far as that, the album that I went to see, that album sucked. And that's when uh I believe you didn't really listen to him much after, right?

SPEAKER_03 33:50

After, yeah. Kind of lost track with them. Uh and then Animal Eyes or something.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

Yeah, it was Unmasked. Unmasked. And then uh uh music from the Elder. I never Yeah, I had no idea they had that. But then, while listening to a radio station partying at my friend's house, Creatures of the Night came on on the radio, and I'm like, just kiss it. I'm like, and just by coincidence, they were playing at the Worcester Centrum that same night. Oh, or the night next the next night, I we're all like, we're gonna go, we're gonna get we're get tickets. So that was my next Kiss concert. Right. Creatures of the Night tour. Which was awesome. And I think I wanna say I can't remember if Peter Chris was still there then. Or Eric Carr came in. Right. I should have probably looked that up too. But anyways, that was my, you know, kiss little concert, and of course there was many other kiss concerts after that. But basically, I went for the hits more or less. Right. Not the hits, but the older kiss. And Kiss never disappointed.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 35:00

They always played the songs you wanted to hear. If they had anything new, it was a couple tracks, but you always get the I know that was Judas Priest, but that's another story for another day. Right. But there's a lot of bands that'll do that. It goes back to my gripe with the warning that time when they played almost the whole album on their new album, and it was like a couple old songs like anyway. There you go. So happy to see 'em. Right. But uh, then uh let's see, Tom. Rick it up.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

What what happened there?

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Yeah, what what's going on? Now, when did uh Tears of Falling? Tears of Fall. That wasn't a that great of one either.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

No, it it was let's see. I can't remember what album that was.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

No, me either. Oh, you know what? Asylum.

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No wonder.

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Yeah, and I'll be honest, every song I'm looking at here, never heard of. Oh. Nope. Except for that one.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

Right. See, there was some years right in there I didn't. Well, no, no one really did, I think. You know.

SPEAKER_04 36:16

You know, they they hit uh Crazy Nights came out, and they had a couple good songs that Hot was shot. Revenge. Carnival of Souls, I didn't mind the final sessions, and then I gotta be Psycho Circus, I kinda like because that's heavier kiss again. So I really like that. Right? Psycho Circus, yeah, I I I I really enjoyed that one. Now, kiss stories. Didn't you attempt to make it to a concert one time, Tom? Yeah. I believe I've told that story one time. Well, let's hear it again. We're on a kiss subject, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

We all bought tickets, we were ready to go, we scraped up our money and all excited, pumped up. It was our first time seeing wow, we're gonna finally get to do. And we had some chemical stuff help us. Okay. Well, something something. Yeah. Okay. The next thing we know, it's the next mortal we didn't even get to go. So we all had our tickets. Well you end up about 35 miles out of town at a roadside park.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

What did you do at this roadside park? Oh, it's not one of them deals, is it?

SPEAKER_03 37:37

No, we just got a shit bunch of guys.

SPEAKER_04 37:39

All of us out. Damn, Tom.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Out like a bunch of lights.

SPEAKER_04 37:44

And people, you gotta understand. Tom Ledoubt in the sticks kind of. Yep. Like a concert hall down the road, like me being from Massachusetts. I could go Providence, Hartford, uh, Cape Cod even. Jeez, all kinds of Springfield. I mean, I had all these places within 50 miles of my house.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

Yep. We had Denver, three and a half, three and a half hours. We had Kansas City, uh, Topeka, which was seven, eight hours away.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

I think the furthest place I went to see KISS was the Cape Cod Coliseum. And that from my house is two and a half hour drive. Well, maybe three hours getting down to Cape Cod and all that. But yeah, I don't even know if that place is around anymore. New Haven was another one that was pretty far. Because you get a figure from where I was in Massachusetts, New Haven's on the shore. So that was another long drive. But I mean, those were the furnace. Everything else was so close.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

Yeah, we had to we had to drive a ways to get to the Colorado. That's what sucks. But here's what really uh once you got to Red Rocks, Colorado. It was the most awesome. The sound there is amazing. I appreciate that about Red Rocks. So uh, but I seen a bunch of local bands up there at Red Rocks, and it was just amazing.

SPEAKER_04 39:11

Excellent. Yeah, I can imagine, Tom. Like I said, I've heard a lot of stories about Red Rocks. Right.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

So uh I would have loved to see Kiss at Red Rocks.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

Quite the sound there. Let's see. So I talked about Psychosernit Circus, then we got Sonic Boom, uh Monster.

Alive II And Solo Albums Debate

SPEAKER_04 39:30

See, I'll be honest. But let's talk about Alive 2, though. Oh, yeah, got it. That was another great talk. And I do want to play a little clip from Gene Simmons talking about his I Was Made for Loving You part. Oh, yeah. You've heard it. It was pretty hysterical, so I'll slip that in.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Oh, that's great. Paul walks in during 79 or so, got a new song. What's it called? I Was Made for Loving You. Oh, that's great. What's the first uh line? Tonight. Ooh, that's good. What's the second one? I want to give it all to you. Oh, yeah, I know what it is. That's cool. In the darkness. In the darkness, that rocks. What's my part? No, no, come on. I'm doing good. What's my part?

SPEAKER_03 40:17

He was not happy with that.

SPEAKER_04 40:19

Don't seem to like that, but hey, the song. People in concert love it when they're playing it, so hey, you know.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

How'd he put it? It was like a locust plague of locusts. Jumping up and down. Jumping down, yeah. He was having that. Right.

SPEAKER_04 40:38

Anyway. Fun song. But uh, yeah, Kiss Alive 2. I remember getting that was a couple it was I'll say November, maybe early December, and we were at a store and my parents said my mom, and I'm like, I want this album. She's like, Well, Christmas. I go, but I want it now. Can you just get it for me now? One of my Christmas presents. I really, really She got it. She gave in, and I played the hell out of that. Red needle through it all night. Yeah. Kiss Alive 2. It was like, and just open it up and all the flames and they're on their risers and everything. You had that Peter Chris with his cats on his drum riser. That was awesome. Awesome album, it was. You know what else we didn't talk about? Solo albums. Yeah. Peter Chris, if you like it was better. Paul Stanley's Gene Simmons were weird to me.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

Yeah, they were out there, perfect.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

My favorite was Ace Craley. Me too. And I think we talked about this before when we were doing music, but Ace Craley had the best to me, he had the best album. All the songs I thought were great. Gene Simmons when you wish upon a star. Oh my god. Oh, come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

He did a good job of it, but come on.

SPEAKER_04 41:57

I felt like I was watching a Broadway show. Listening to a Broadway show. Is this Disney or what? They all took solo albums and that's the route.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

He went what the hell do do do Paul Stanley?

SPEAKER_04 42:13

I can't remember anything really on Paul Stanley. I don't remember anything either. Peter Chris had a couple of good songs I liked. But I like his voice. Right. It's really the whole yeah, the whole album was good. I thought that album was great. Snowblind. 2008. Back in the New York Group's good, but every other the other songs are all great. I think even better. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

Wasn't that 2009 on that?

SPEAKER_04 42:40

I think that's a kiss song, Tom. I want to say that's a kiss song.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

I was thinking it was on one of those.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

Yeah, I want to say that was a kiss song. I might be wrong, but I think that was I want to say the elder. Might be wrong. Let's take a little peeky here, shall we? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

We shall. But yeah, I was that that was one of my standout songs I liked. Off of whatever album it was. But I was thinking.

SPEAKER_04 43:23

Okay. But now you got me curious.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Because I was just I was thinking it was on Ace Raleigh's.

SPEAKER_04 43:32

Well, I'm not gonna say you're wrong. I just don't remember no, I don't remember that being on Ace Rayleigh. That sounds like a Gene Simmons singing song or something. Okay, we figured it out. It was on Dynasty. Yeah. But Tom's right, it's Ace Raleigh singing. See, I don't remember that song. Yeah. Nope.

SPEAKER_03 43:54

All I know is that album had doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Gene was not happy about that.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

No, Gene was not happy about that.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

That was funny.

SPEAKER_04 44:06

But any else, any other KISS little tributes there, or stuff you want to talk about, or any old KISS thing? Yeah, we I mean, you know, we're nostalgic on KISS. Well, remember when we were covered Kiss. Right. But you hear uh Skid Rose cover of Come On and Love Me.

SPEAKER_03 44:26

I hadn't heard that.

SPEAKER_04 44:27

Good song. And uh I know you don't remember, but Poison, Rock and Roll All Night. Or was it Poison? I was less than zero. And they had a the intro song was a kiss song. Right. That was a good cover too. I'm pretty sure it was less than zero. They're going to the house party. I might be wrong. Right. So people correct me if I am. Yeah. Give us a couple of things. Who else has done some covers? We looked up a couple, but Skid Row, I have she had that album.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

Skid Row, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

They do a bunch of covers of different bands. And uh was great. I just wanted to, you know, there's some people don't do the songs justice. Right. So but uh

Phantom Of The Park Revisited

SPEAKER_04 45:10

I think that's about it. A little nostalgic trip for Kiss. We should ask, uh not forget about the Phantom of the Park. Can't forget about it, man. Not least. Not good times. You found a little tidbit.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

Yeah, a little one about when it started uh filming. Right. May 11th, 1978.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

And then the funny thing we find out it was put out in October of the same year.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

Well, went into that movie. A lot went into that. And see, as kids, we didn't care how long it would took to make it. Nope. We just knew that we had to figure out a way to watch it.

SPEAKER_04 45:51

Well, let me give a little brief thing of it, and then we're gonna go into our little nostalgic trip on it. Let's see. It was a Maper TV movie, yeah. We know that. Aired on NBC on October 28, 1978, produced by Hannah Barbera Productions. Cartoon people. Filmed on location at Six Flags Magic Mountain. This was Peat Kiss Mania, comic books. Yeah, they had everything. Yeah. Plot. Simple and ridiculous on purpose. Kiss are performing concerts at an amusement park. A mad scientist named Abner Devereaux lives beneath the park. Abner! He builds robot duplicates of KISS to steal their identities. Boy, oh boy. The real KISS have superpowers. Paul, energy projection. Oh, good. Gene, fire breathing, and flight. Ace. Electricity. Peter, enhanced strength. Mew. Kind of. It's basically Scooby-Doo Reads Marvel, meets a Kiss concert. It's really at kids and families. Okay, you remember these times? The songs they did include some of the Detroit Rock City. Right. Shout it out loud. Uh-huh. Calling Dr. Love. Okay. And Love Gun. Yeah. And don't forget the big rip and destroy. Rip and Rip and Destroy. Little copy of Hotter Than Hell, I would take, you know. Let's see. Production issues. Why it looks like what it does. Extremely tight TV schedule. Yeah, the tight down six weeks. You only got six weeks to do this, y'all. Low budget by feature film. No. Heavy lip syncing. Oh, heavy. Why they can't speak?

SPEAKER_03 47:35

Can someone talk to us? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:37

They're robots.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

They are.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

Minimal acting experience from the band. No. Really? Oh, the script was rewritten multiple times. You guys are just idiots.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

Yeah, wait a minute. We gotta rewrite the stupid.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

All four members have openly disliked the movie. Gene Simmons called it embarrassing. Paul Stanley has said it damaged their credibility. No. As kids, like you said, we enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Listen, teens stupid now. Okay, well who were you who was your target back then? The teens. Exactly. And we loved it.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

Just sucked it right up. We were like little sponges. Yeah. Oh, and it was Tom, do you know it was never re-aired by NBC again? Ever. Oh shit. That's I can't find it. For years, Kiss Management treated it like it never existed. I have it on VCI page. Right, right, right. Okay, it says uh alternate titles outside the U.S. To distance it from the original release. It was re later retitled Attack of the Phantoms, Kiss Phantoms. Huh. These versions circulated on VHS and late night TV in the 80s and 90s. So that's what you gotta look up. Those names. No, look those up. It's got a classic following. Campy. I say campy, it becomes a camp classic. Frequently cited as so bad it's good. Loved by hardcore KISS fan. Regularly screened at KISS Fan conventions. It says ironically its awkwardness is exactly why it survived. But hey, that's a kid, though, Tom. I remember me and my friend Tim. We were gonna watch it. We were gonna just parents like you weren't gonna watch. I think they have one TV maybe. Like, okay. Go to my parents. And God bless my parents. They sat there and watched that old heap of crap when Tim and I sitting there with big smiles on our faces.

SPEAKER_03 49:36

Like, this is awesome. Right? Well, I I can remember my buddy. He his dad was a preacher. Okay. So it was difficult for us to talk him into it. But they were the only household around that had cable. So I mean, I didn't want to watch it on Rabbit Ears with all snowy and stuff like that. So understandable. I mean, we we did. We talked his dad into letting us, you know, listen, we'll clean the church.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

Get down to it. A parent must have been thinking, this is frickin' stupid.

SPEAKER_03 50:09

Yeah. Nothing bad really. It's just exactly. And that's what made it so cool is he let us do it. But you have to watch it downstairs, not up here. We're not always watching it, blah, blah, blah. And it turned out pretty cool. It was an all-night victim. I remember that on TV. We threw a couple pizzas in the oven and made chocolate milk, and it was fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_04 50:33

I think I had chips and ginger ale or some stupid thing. But anyways, yeah, nostalgia. But

Who Opened For KISS And Why

SPEAKER_04 50:40

moving on.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:43

Alright, Tom, another thing I wanted to dive into. We talked about opening bands and all that with KISS. Right, right. Okay, so bands KISS opened for in the earlier 73 to 75. Okay. Floor to Colt. Wow. That says frequently early pairing, both bands grew together. Savoy Brown. I don't know who they are. I've never heard of them. Humble Pie, I heard of. Yep. Black Sabbath, early exposure to metal audiences.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

See, that would have been a good one.

SPEAKER_04 51:14

I would have liked to see that. Sabbath with Ozzy.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Man for Man's Earth Band. Blinded by the Oh, sorry. Slade. Slade. Quiet Ride did a cover of Slade. Anyway, Uriah Heap. Aerosmith. Shared bills before both exploded. Ah, interesting. Fog hat and Golden Earring. Oh yeah. Let's see. It's at this stage, KISS were the weird makeup band that promoters took a chance on. Take a chance on me. ABBA? Sorry, I know that. Yeah. Alright. Here's bands that open for KISS. Peak and Arena Years. Wow. Okay. 75 to 79. They call that the classic era. Oh yeah. Rush Classics. Opens for the Dress to Kill tour. Oh shit. Oh, wow. Interesting. I think I heard some party stories about Yeah, could you imagine being back to the city? Spraley and Peter Chris with the guys from Rush. We know Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley were straight doing their thing. Gene doing some groupies. Alright, cheap trick on the Live Two tour.

unknown 52:30

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 52:31

ACDC, U.S. Exposure, pre-black and pre-back and black. I had to be with Bon Scott. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

If it was pre-Yep.

SPEAKER_04 52:40

Okay, Ted Nugent. Yep. That would have been a good one. Rock and Roll Teddy. Bob Seager and the Silver Bullet Band. Yeah, I'm sorry to say I never saw Bob Seeger.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

I never saw him, but I did. I liked him.

SPEAKER_04 52:52

Yeah, I would have loved to have gone to a Bob Seeger concert. Like a rock. Like a rock.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

I used to have a job. You had a job? At one time. Oh. Before I kept hurting myself over and over, but right. They played, it was a sales job, and every Saturday on weekends they'd come in, you'd that song would be blaring in the sales room. Like a rock. Were they selling Chevys? No. Oh we were selling furniture.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

Every time I hear that too, I think of the Chevy Chevy. Chevrolet commercials, yep. And oh, Aerosmith. Yes, the roles flipped later. Aerosmith opened up a kiss. Oh, okay, so back and forth. Okay. Alright, 1980s. Unmasked and lick it up era. Oh yeah. Iron Maiden, early U.S. Arena exposure. Wow, that would have been a great concert. Yeah, that would have been. Judas Priest. Wow, that would have been another one. Scorpions. Night Ranger. I actually saw Night Ranger open for Kiss. Oh, did you? Yes. See, I would have liked that too. That was at the Worcester Centrum. Worcestershire? What? Yeah, Worcestershire sauce. Worcestershire. No, okay. Worshiershire. Okay. Worshipership. A wasp.

unknown 54:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

Twisted sister.

SPEAKER_03 54:11

Twister.

SPEAKER_04 54:13

Twisted sister a long time ago in a club in New York. Connecticut, New York. I don't know. That was before they made it big. Oh. I said, what the hell is this? Alright, 1990s, Tom, the 2000s. The reunion and the legacy tours. Yeah. Skid Row. See, that would have been a great one.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

See, I like Skid Row. I said that before.

SPEAKER_04 54:40

I saw Skid Row and Aerosmith, but yeah, that would have been nice. Slaughter. Slaughter. Anthrax. Yeah. Sorry, Anthrax with Motley Crue and Megadeath. That was with John Bush singing then. Yeah. Fuck Cherry. Oh, and Poison. Co-headling. Co-headlining, but often first on. Yeah, I would say Poison would have to be the opening act. Yeah. I like Poison, but opening act. Yeah. With Kiss.

SPEAKER_03 55:09

Yeah, when it comes between them two. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 55:12

Yes. Absolutely is right. You know, some other bands that were mentioned that we haven't got to, but we dug a little deeper because you and I like Crocus.

SPEAKER_03 55:22

Yes. Crocus opened up for Kiss. Yeah, because we both seen them.

SPEAKER_04 55:27

So let's see. Uh Club 2 Arena Exposure. I wanted to dig in a little deeper on some of the bands because, like I said, I wait a minute, I went to concerts and those bands weren't there, but I've saw these bands. Right. And I guess it like we talked about, it goes by region.

SPEAKER_03 55:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:41

So has a live turned KISS into a phenomenon. These bands warmed up the crowds. Rush Again, Bloris the Colt, UFO, Montrose, Fog Hat, Nazareth, Robin Trower, and Thin Lizzie. See, Thin Lizzie and Kiss, I would have loved to have seen that.

SPEAKER_03 55:58

Yeah, that would have been.

SPEAKER_04 56:00

Big Thin Lizzie fan. Alright, 1977 to 79, Arena God's era. Cheap Trick was another band. Boy, Cheap Trick opened up a lot here, huh? ACDC, Bob Cedar, again. Okay, they're just naming the same bands and other bands they didn't mention. Van Halen, Angel, which I'm a big Angel fan. Anybody's ever heard of them or haven't? Take a listen. You'll probably find something you like. Uh Detective. Never heard of the band Detective. I haven't either. No. Eddie Money. Oh, Eddie Bunny and Kiss. That's a weird combination. I like Eddie Money. I like Eddie Money. But that's a weird one. Yeah. Mahogany. Must have been by a region thing, too, though. Of course, yes. Mahogany Rush. Okay, 1980 to 83, Unmasked in Creatures Air. Iron Maiden. We mentioned before, Judas Priest, we mentioned Scorpions. Okay, here's some probably local region band type things. Girls School, Fastway, great band. Plasmatic. Plasmatic. Let's go blow shit up. Bombastic. Oh, an Aldo Nova. I would like to have seen that too. Yeah? Now, when I seen the creatures, I I want to say that was Crocus. No, that was Dynasty.

SPEAKER_03 57:15

Yeah, Dynasty was the one I went to, wasn't it? That would have been their Dynasty club.

SPEAKER_04 57:20

Yeah, Dynasty was at. I'm trying to think. New England opened up for them. I think. Obviously, I'm going back now. Yeah. We talked about it already.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

There's so much kid stuff in our minds.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

But it was just there was a lot of bands we didn't mention that I wanted to talk about. Right. Okay, so uh another bunch of different bands. Let's see, Helix, Vinnie Vincent Invasion in 1984-89, no makeup and TV years. Black and Blue, good band. King Cobra, another good band, and Keel. Let's see, 90 to 95, the Revenge Era. Alright, some of these bands we've already mentioned. So you got Slaughter. Yep. Winger.

SPEAKER_03 58:00

Oh, Winger.

SPEAKER_04 58:01

Yeah. There was one. Yep. Anthrax again. Uh Motorhead and Man of War.

unknown 58:05

Man of War.

SPEAKER_04 58:06

Man of War. Motorhead, I would have liked to have seen that too. Right. Oh, Lemmy. Alright, 96 to 2004 reunion and farewell tours. Oh, okay. Allison Chains. That would have been a good one. Marilyn Manson. Another good one. That's a good pairing right there. Yeah. Buck Cherry. Rat. Damn. See, I was thinking that. See, none of these bands I saw open for Kiss. That's what's strange. I saw New England open up for Kiss. Crocus open up for Kiss.

SPEAKER_03 58:39

Yep. That's the only one I saw. I can't.

SPEAKER_04 58:42

But again, New England's a region thing. So that was something in the Northeast more. Cinderella, I would have loved to have seen Cinderella and Kiss together. Yeah. Alright, 2005, 2023, End of the Road era, Motley Crew. That's kind of co-headlining, but let's be realistic. Yeah. Kiss takes over that one. Def Leopard, that's a good one. The Dead Daisies. That's a bunch of uh guys from different bands that I can't remember the names, but you've heard of the you've heard of the bands they were in. Right, right. Uh Paint It Black, not really familiar with them, and Dave Gobaldi. Tor opener performance. I don't have no idea who he is, and sorry I mispronounced your name, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 59:24

Yeah, Dave Globaldi.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

Yeah. Interesting.

Regional Openers And Career Ripple Effects

SPEAKER_04 59:32

There's another topic I wanted to talk about since we're trying to figure out what bands played where and everything. We know different regions. So we're going to, let's see. Now I'm up from the Northeast. So I wanted to see what bands, you know, opened up for him in the Northeast. Obviously, Aerosmith back in the day. Floris the Colt back in the day. UFO, back in the day, which wish I would have seen UFO. I would have loved to have seen UFO. See. UFO. So basically, you know, we all know it's the promoter thing and all that crap. Yeah. So now, the who opened up for a kiss on the Midwest dates, Tom, where you're more from more or less from. Right. Alright, we cheap trick again. We knew ACDC, Rush, Bob Seager, and the Silver Bullet Band.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

That would have been a good one.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:22

Ted Nugent, Axe, YT. A lot of these bands played up in north too. Night Ranger, again, a CM. And I guess some of these are the more Midwest powerhouses. So your local bands like we had New England. We had Aerosmith and all that. You got Head East was from St. Louis. Oh right. Shooting Star was Kansas City Route. Ario Speedwagon, another Midwest. April Wine. Love April Wine. Oh, yeah. Now April Wine's from Canada, though. So I guess they're big in the Midwest. Upper says that upper Midwest in the Great Lakes region. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

Styx.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

Yeah. Another one. See, Sticks is always classic.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:01

Now, some of these bands that you I mean, I know them all, but I wonder if you would like Gamma, Blackfoot. Yeah, Blackfoot. Yep. Nazareth. Nazareth. Hair of the Dog. Yep. Montrose. That's what Sammy Hay guy's old band there. Oh, okay. Ronnie Montrose. Yeah, it's it's a pretty cool thing. But last, I wanted to find out like some of these bands that opened for KISS, where they went from there after. What worked out for them. So I dug in this, and it's like, you know, Rush and the KISS effect opened for the Dress to Kill tour. Right. What happened? The effect. Rush absorbed the arena exposure, built the cult following, and outgrew KISS commercially by the late 70s. Yep. Cheap trick. Alive tour 77. What happened? Perfect stylistic fit. Live at Boudicon made them stars. KISS crowds gutted instantly. Yeah, we did. ACDC. Kiss Effect late 70s. U.S. tour dates. What happened? They used KISS to crack America, then became one of the biggest bands in history after Bond Scott's death. Which is sad, but that part's sad, but yeah, hey, that Back and Black album. Yep. Iron Maiden. Kiss Effect early U.S. Arena Exposure 1982. What happened? Maiden stole Jaws Knightley, then built a global metal empire of their own on their own terms. Basically, Kiss handed them the keys to America.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

Basically.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

Van Halen. Well, we all know the story about that, Gene Simmons, but late 70s opening slots, like dates. What happened? Andy Van Halen changed guitar overnight. They were gone from opening slots almost immediately. That first album kicks ass. Yeah. Alright, Bob Seager and the Silver Bullet Band, which we said was a weird pairing. Like that's strange. But anyways, uh, mid-70s shared bills, opening slots. What happened? Seeger went from regional Midwest hero to national icon. Different lane than KISS, but the exposure mattered. So KISS helped up. People get into Bob Seager. Like I said, it's still strange. Yeah. You're all like mellow and then KISS comes out, and but hey, I get it. Alright, Motorhead, Kiss Effect, early 90s touring. What happened? Never mainstream huge, but became Metal Royalty. Okay. Zebra. Great band. I love Zebra. And the guy can still has pipes to this day. Kiss Effect. Early 80s Northeast Arena dates. What happened? Huge regional band. Modest national run. Time in plus MTV aesthetics worked against them. I guess they weren't too uh into the spandex and shit or whatever. Here we go, Tom. Crocus. Yeah. Kiss Effect. Creatures uh tour and lick it up toward both tours we saw. Right. Brief but real U.S. breakthrough. Headhunter couldn't survive changing taste after 84. Another another sad, sad story. Yeah. Here's a favorite of mine, New England. If you have to be from that area up there in the Northeast to know who they are, but uh they were on the Dynasty Tour, it's like dates up in the Northeast. And I don't know how they didn't work bigger, Tom, but again, that's another band. People listen to New England. Right. You'll love it. It's not hype rock, it's just good classic rock, is what it is. Great. I'm gonna have to listen to them. Yeah, I think you get into it, Tom. But anyways, I guess that we can.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:28

There's so much to say about kids. Yeah, there's not much. Hey, we grew up with them. I guess we're just in that.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:41

Yeah, there's many more like us, you know. Oh yeah. People can make fun of KISS, but hey. Kiss Army is strong. Yes, they are.

Tom’s Car Accident And Hard Lesson

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

So uh Tom though, before we end the show. Right. Uh you had a little accident there again. Well a week ago Friday. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:02

Seemed to be having quite a few of these.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:04

It seemed to be getting worse. Yeah. If it wasn't for bad luck, you'd have no luck at all. Tell everybody what happened there, Tom. Well, we were I'll try not to laugh.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:14

Yeah, we were on home. I I need no backstory, I guess. Just on our way home from work. I get my son to his house, top of his driveway, my motor mounts, the bolts shear off or whatever. And I don't know why, but they just broke in two and gave way. I guess they were just old and I I know that sounds stupid, didn't it? I just can't don't have any other explanation why the motor mount bolts broke, but they did. Which caused the the um transmission to drop a little bit. And once that did, it kicked the car out of gear. And away it went and my instinct was, oh, the car's rolling, let me jump in and push the brake and stop it.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:07

Tom thinks he has the agility of a 25-year-old. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Not anymore. We found out very, very quickly that once a rolling car is rolling, my little old body ain't gonna stop it. So away we went. I got drugged down probably about 60 feet of driveway gravel with my foot caught in the car and one up under the wheel, and my left leg got rolled over by the tire. I'm a sight for a while, but I'm alive and breathing. Just a little road rash. Oh yeah, but just a little bit. Yeah, from my right armpit to my right butt cheek is gone. Let's just say that. And that's all I got to say about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:55

Now, now I have to say, Tom, now that I, you know, that I know you're alright and you know got some bruising and some road rash. Yeah. I wish there was a video. Yeah, because I said to Josh, you had an opportunity to videotape that. And he did. And you ran after your dad.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

JD was saying, well, all I heard was it I saw the car start to roll, and then it went black, and all I heard was Josh screaming. Call 911. She said, so I did. And there it was. Are you hurt anywhere? My ass. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:38

I think the picture that Josh did take with the sneaker caught between the tire and the wheel well fender. I think that was just I just said it all.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

Yeah. Said it all.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:48

I told him to send that to me because I'd really like to put that up on our website.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:53

The aftermath. Yeah, this is just guys, if your car starts to roll, just let her blow. You got insurance for a reason. It just it's a lot worse than it needed to be. But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:07

Oh, well, that's Tom, folks.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

Yep. But anyway, I'm good. But yeah, I like KISS. I've always liked Kiss. Okay. I've had just a great time talking about Kiss. Alright. Man, where's he going with that stuff over and over and over? Well, you want us to oh, you don't want that fence, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:28

Yeah. Alright, so anyways, I guess that's it. We'll end this. Yeah. And like I said, let's have a time. No, but I had a great time, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:36

Kiss is one of my things.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:37

Some old songs, loving it. So we'll uh yeah. We'll figure out what we're gonna do next week. Yeah, we'll think uh Tom needs to figure out a band he'd like to talk about. Yeah, I can bring up a couple. Or something we both could talk about. Well, we'll both talk about it anyway. So we got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:54

Yeah, there

Wrap-Up And How To Reach Us

SPEAKER_03 1:08:55

we go.

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SPEAKER_03 1:09:08

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But again, thanks for listening, folks. And as always, we would like to thank God for the gift of Gab. Everyone, take care. God bless. Later. See you.