Retro Games, Music Industry Shifts, and Indie Artist Spotlights
Does the idea of lawn darts and NFL biases spark a hint of nostalgia for you? Get ready for another hilarious, thought-provoking episode of the MT Alternative Podcast! We kick things off with some playful banter about dad jokes, recent football games, and Kansas City's latest performance. As we wander down memory lane with childhood games like Red Rover, we set the stage for a deeper conversation about how the music industry's financial landscape has morphed over the past three decades.
Curious about the ethical dilemmas facing independent bands today? We unpack the struggles of smaller bands dealing with venues that demand a cut of their merchandise sales, and why supporting artists by buying their music matters now more than ever. From timeless legends like The Beatles and Elvis to current superstars like Taylor Swift and The Weeknd, our discussion highlights the diversity and evolution of the music scene. And let's not forget the upcoming talents rocking today's charts—this segment is sure to leave you pondering the future of music.
Finally, we spotlight some incredible independent artists making waves without major label backing. Discover the impactful journeys of Toby Nwigwe, The Warning, Arlo Parks, Japanese Breakfast, Saba, and Soccer Mommy. As we wrap up, expect a hearty dose of humor as we dive into the whimsical world of children's stories like Chicken Little. With laughs and reflections aplenty, this episode is a must-listen for anyone fascinated by the ever-changing music industry.
00:11 - Music Industry Evolution and Challenges
15:23 - Independent Music Industry Trends
23:38 - Indie Music Industry Rising Stars
30:15 - Chicken Little and the Bear Poke
Music Industry Evolution and Challenges
Speaker 1Ah yes , welcome back to the MT Alternative Podcast , the show where we boldly go where no brain cell has dared to venture . Today , mike and Tom will be gracing your ears with their completely unsolicited and undeniably underqualified take on the music industry . Yep , the same industry that brought you the timeless classics like Auto-Tune , tiktok , fame and songs that sound suspiciously like every other song out there . But don't worry , they'll also be touching on whatever random thoughts their tiny brains can muster in between . It's going to be deep , it's going to be insightful and by the end of it you'll probably question why you even started listening in the first place . So sit back , relax or don't we really don't care and let's dive into the wild world of music biz with all the expertise of someone who once saw a guitar . Let's get this train wreck rolling .
Speaker 2Well , well , here we are again .
Speaker 3Here we go .
Speaker 2Yep .
Speaker 3I'm enjoying this .
Speaker 2A little too much baby .
Speaker 3Well , I don't know if you can enjoy it too much . That's what I told Graham at work .
Speaker 2Graham Cracker .
Speaker 3I don't know if that's what his real name is , but he is a cracker , but anyway , oh goodness . Speaking of names , I have a little thing I learned this week .
Speaker 2What's that ?
Speaker 3Did you know that Bob the Builder and Jack the Ripper both had the same middle name ? Why , why me I learn stuff .
Speaker 2Is this what I sat back here for ? Dad jokes .
Speaker 3That wasn't a bad joke .
Speaker 2I said a dad joke .
Speaker 3Oh , a dad joke .
Speaker 2A dad joke .
Speaker 3No , that wasn't a dad joke .
Speaker 2That was just the truth .
Speaker 3Anywho , continue the football game Dad joke yeah .
Speaker 2No , that wasn't dad joke . It sure sounded like one . That was just the truth . Okay , anywho , oh ow , it hit me hard . Catch any of the football games .
Speaker 3Yes . Thursday , Friday night game I did catch Thursday night's game Because I like either one of the teams .
Speaker 2Football season started .
Speaker 3I like to see one of those teams get beat real bad . I won't say a name or anything .
Speaker 2But well , I'm gonna take a taylor swift's boyfriend's team .
Speaker 3Yes , that you're a denver fan , so I was very upset that they allowed the kansas city players to be off the line so much , but every time oh , no , no , no , no , no , it's okay , it's Kansas City . Oh , that's the way they're going to play it this year again . Okay , well , folks , I can save you 16 weeks of agony of watching your team . Kansas City is probably going to win the Super Bowl this year , because that's what it's called now .
Speaker 2All right , well , now we know football season is over . Thanks , tom .
Speaker 3I'm sorry , spoiler alert . No , Denver's going to be stepping in the way , I think .
Speaker 2I will say one thing about Kansas City their defense looks for real . They look good . They did Actually both defenses look pretty damn good yeah they did actually . How about the Philly-Green Bay game ?
Speaker 3in Brazil .
Speaker 2I caught about a quarter of that game . I actually watched that whole game . I didn't fall asleep on that one .
Speaker 3Well , I had my grandson over , so we were kind of doing things back and forth .
Speaker 2Right , he's not interested in football yet .
Speaker 3Not yet . He's still into video games .
Speaker 2What are you doing wrong as a ?
Speaker 3grandparent , only getting him on the weekends . What do you do ? That's the problem . Yeah , well , he did bring his bow and arrow over today , so we're gonna get out and shoot a little this afternoon . That sounds fun yeah , yeah , he's excited will he be shooting at you ? We'll probably go over some rules before we start that's a good idea .
Speaker 2He won't listen , but we'll probably go over some Back to our days with lawn jarts .
Speaker 3Right .
Speaker 2Remember the old lawn jarts .
Speaker 3Lawn darts . I loved lawn darts .
Speaker 2They were lawn jarts .
Speaker 3Oh jarts , that's what they called them .
Speaker 2I don't know why . All it has is big pointy things .
Speaker 3Because they look like a jet .
Speaker 2I'm going to throw this up in the air .
Speaker 3It was between a jet and a dart . Yeah , that's true , I'm going to throw this up in the air .
Speaker 2Everybody scatter . Who will it hit ? Or you stay there , let me throw it up .
Speaker 3And see how close it comes without you moving .
Speaker 2You're not moving enough . You told me not to move .
Speaker 3Classic childhood games Red Rover . Remember that we were talking about the other day .
Speaker 2They have rock plates .
Speaker 3I got hit right in the center of the forehead with a dirt clawed one time .
Speaker 2I got hit with cow patties .
Speaker 3Well , we did play cow patty football .
Speaker 2That's not fun .
Speaker 3Well , you'll wait until they dry , idiot .
Speaker 2Oh , okay , that sounds a little better .
Speaker 3See , it gets better . If you don't get one , that's kind of hard on the outside and mushy on the inside .
Speaker 2That's the ones I like to throw at people See , there you go . I'm evil like that , what can I say ?
Speaker 3Yeah , but I got to notice the last couple of times we've done music I've really enjoyed the different genres and stuff that we're learning .
Speaker 2Oh , yeah , both learning new bands . You have bands I've never really listened to . Right , I've got you into some bands that you don't listen to or never heard of .
Speaker 3Right , you know we do know music , but do we really really know music , like the business end of it and what these artists go through day in ?
Speaker 2and day out . That's why we've done our homework and with the chit-chat we've had the thing I wanted to talk about . We were discussing outside earlier . We were asking the question how do musicians from 30 years ago , how do musicians differ from getting paid now ? Because it sounds like a struggle a lot of times . Oh yeah , you know , things are different . You get streaming , yeah . So I printed out some information that seems very informative and it pretty much answers our questions . So the first one I want to read . First of all , it says the music industry has undergone huge transformations over the last 30 years , reshaping how musicians make a living . And here's a breakdown Streaming services Right Now . If you remember back in early I want to say 2000, . You remember Napster ?
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2Remember all that Free downloads , true , and Lars Ulrich and Metallica get involved and other bands that shut it down Because , it's true , they're giving their music away for free . I think LimeWire was another one LimeWire , oh yeah . So you know , at first I was pissed off , but it's like well , I already bought that album , why do I have to pay for that song again ? But I totally get it . You can't . There's no way to control who has what right . Well , anyways , I found out this very important information 2018 you know what donald trump did ?
Speaker 2yeah , and I remember and I just had to look it up again to make sure I was right he signed the music modernization act into law on October 11 , 2018 . The legislation was aimed at updating copyright laws for digital age , particularly benefiting songwriters , producers and musicians . The MMA introduced several key changes , not to be confused with mixed martial arts . Right right right Higher royalties for songwriters . For songwriters , the law established a fair process for determining the royalty rates that streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music pay to songwriters , which led to higher payouts . Next , number two creation of the mechanical licensing collective . The new body manages blanket licenses for digital services , ensuring songwriters and publishers get their new royalties more efficiently . Number three protections for legacy artists . The law ensured that the artist whose music was recorded before 1972 could finally receive royalties for their work when it's played on digital platforms . Overall , the MMA has seen a significant win for musicians , producers and songwriters , so that means you can get your royalties for those songs you wrote , tom .
Speaker 3Yeah , and what also ?
Speaker 2that means you can get your royalties for those songs you wrote Tom yeah , and what also that means Before 1972 .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , that also means that when we're brainstorming out on the porch or on break and what was that song , smokey Robinson ? And every time we download that to prove each other who it was or what it was , they should get a royalty for that .
Speaker 2Yeah , they do . That's what they do now . Right , exactly that's what the problem was .
Speaker 3Yeah , they didn't used to , and crooked people who were managing these bands were taking advantage of them . And people still are taking advantage of some of these .
Speaker 2I don't mean when I say lowly artists , I mean artists that aren't that big . I don't mean they suck . That's not what I mean .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2People starting out , people in the mid part of it . What sucks is you go to a concert ? They ask you know , they give you an invite . Well , you get there , they pay you whatever .
Speaker 3This is it .
Speaker 2But now they want a piece of your merchandise Right , which I think is bullshit . Well , we have this auditorium . You're selling concessions , you're selling all this . You're selling tickets . You're making your money .
Speaker 3I'm drawing you business , right , I am drawing . Yeah , you're giving me a place , but I rented this place , right , basically ? And I am going to draw you a crowd and pay you to do so . Don't take any more of my money , right exactly .
Speaker 2You know it's bullshit , uh , that's why a lot of them now it's a direct to fan platforms , a lot of bands doing it . So I did a little research because band camp I've always heard that name helping out artists doing this and that well , there's something that one time just a band camp . We're not going to go down that road .
Speaker 3Oh , okay .
Speaker 2Anyways , as I was bringing up Bandcamp , one of the places where these artists love to go , there's been some complaints .
Speaker 3Oh , complaints about Bandcamp .
Speaker 2Not that Bandcamp . Let's not go down that road . I told you that . But anyways they're a platform where , like us with our podcast podcast we have a platform that you reuse to get help with all this . All right , so bank , yeah , fees and revenue cuts . While bandcamp is known for allowing artists to keep a larger share of sales compared to other platforms , they still take around 10 to 50 percent cut from digital sales , which can feel significant , especially for smaller independent artists trying to maximize income . True , right payout delays .
Speaker 2Some artists have reported delays of receiving payments , which can be frustrating for those relying on band camp as a primary income stream , particularly around popular band camp fridays , when artists get 100 of sales . So they give them one day . They do get a good platform visibility . It promotes Indie Art at easy .
Speaker 3I'm just wondering the one day is that because they give Suzy Inn and Accounting a ?
Speaker 2day off . They probably say we don't sell anything that day , sorry .
Speaker 3We're not doing nothing that day . Susie in accounting is off .
Speaker 2Wait a minute . We'll give you 100% of the proceeds . Let's see what was that . Where was that here ? Okay Platform makes it difficult for new or lesser known artists to stand out Without built-in algorithms pushing music to potential fans like Spotify or YouTube , which they don't do . Artists are off the field . They have to do all the promotions themselves . User experience and interface . Some have complained about Bandcamp's website being outdated or clunky . Both artists and fans have mentioned that it could use an upgrade in terms of ease . Basically , they're not really doing what they should be doing .
Speaker 3Exactly .
Speaker 2So there's another one , Patreon . You've heard of Patreon , Patreon , yeah , so I wanted to do see what the difference was between the two . Of course , Bandcamp and Patreon are both platforms that help artists monetize their work , but they operate in different ways and serve different purposes . Bandcamp their focus , is primarily for musicians their business model . Artists sell music their business model . Artist sells music , merchandise and digital content directly to fans . Revenue Artists get a percentage of each sale , With Bandcamp taking a small cut , typically 10-15% , which we already talked about One-time purchases .
Speaker 2Fans buy albums , songs or merch one time . Community Fan engagement is based on purchases . There's no limited subscription model . Discoverability it's a platform where users discover and support new independent artists . Now here's Patreon . Focus for a wide variety of creators musicians , podcasters , writers , youtubers , etc . Okay , their business model is subscription-based . Fans , called patrons , pledge a monthly amount to support creators . We know about that Revenue . Patreon takes 5 to 12% of what creators earn , depending on the plan , a little less , but they give ongoing support . Patrons subscribe to creators in exchange for perks such as exclusive content , early access , behind-the-scenes materials , etc . Which we hope to do one day . So a little difference . Patreon sounds like what you get is what you're going to get . Bandcamp not so much , which kind of screws the artist over .
Speaker 3So my next thing was about because we mentioned merchandise- See , it is kind of like that road we were going to go down .
Speaker 2Yeah , kind of , I guess , tom , you're getting it . Yeah , you're going to get it if you go there with them .
Speaker 2So with merchandise , again we bitched . I complained about why that is . It says concert promoters often ask for a percentage of a band's merchandise sales , referred to as merch cut , for several reasons . Venue revenue stream Many venues rely on multiple revenue sources to stay profitable , not just ticket sales . The merch percentage helps the venue or promoter cover their costs , including staffing , security , utilities and maintenance . If you're going to hire me to do a gig , shouldn't you have all this shit lined up anyways before you want more ? Alright , now , of course .
Speaker 3Why shouldn't I just bring my own ?
Speaker 2Yeah right , these guys . I got these gorillas here who are going to help me out .
Speaker 3Never mind this guy . I've known him since the sixth grade .
Speaker 2You're in trouble if you cross him , Then we get increased costs . No-transcript . But by the nomics of work it's so good so that helps .
Speaker 3Yeah , sure , yeah , unexpected tax .
Speaker 2Concerts involve significant logistical expenses such as sound lighting , marketing and operations . Promoters or venues see merch cuts as a way to offset these costs . Let's steal from the little guy , but we'll get to that Standard practice . In many cases , especially with larger venues , taking a percentage of merch sales has become a standard practice . Venues argue that they are providing the space , infrastructure and traffic for bands to sell merchandise and believe they are entitled to a portion of those sales . Risk mitigation Promoters take financial risk in organizing events , including booking the artists , marketing the event and covering upfront costs . Booking the artist , marketing the event and covering up front costs . Asking for a cut of the merch helps them mitigate potential losses .
Speaker 2If ticket sales don't fully cover expenses , the practice can be controversial
Independent Music Industry Trends
Speaker 2. This is where I get it , especially for smaller independent bands who often rely heavily on merch sales to make a profit . Some bands negotiate lower percentages or refuse the venues that demand a cut , and I get that . See , if you're a small . The venues that demand a cut , and I get that . See , if you're a small . I guess that's my problem . You're a smaller and these are the bands I heard about before . Smaller , just starting out , trying to get your name out there , son of a bitch , you'll take my last dime . Sometimes they pay these festivals and they'll let you in , but we're not paying you . But to them it's 20 minutes , a half hour of time to get in front of people . We'll take it All right , but now we want some of your merch .
Speaker 3What .
Speaker 2What ? Yeah , I'm playing your stupid thing for free .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2It kind of pisses me off . There I'm bringing you people I'm going to get into reading more of this shit .
Speaker 3But you know , you guys get into this . I mean , start doing some research and know what you're supporting when you're buying these albums and what's hurting you . Or , more importantly , what you're doing to a band when you download one of their songs on some other platform . Oh , I got it for free .
Speaker 2You really couldn't spend the $1.49 , the 99 cents , the $2.00 , whatever it is for a stupid song that you like .
Speaker 3That you probably have stored away on an album back in a box somewhere Anyway go get it out and buy it . The record players . They're there and I mean , by the way , I want one yeah well , now they have Bluetooth too , so that's pretty awesome . Yeah , well , I want one .
Speaker 2So , anyways , I wanted to bring up the difference between now as we end this little segment here . Right , I was more talking about musical stuff , but that's for another segment . I want to bring up names of the top 10 bands or top artists right now , okay . So , anyways , I want to read this list . This is what the top 20 bands or artists all time in the US , all time , okay .
Speaker 3All time .
Speaker 2This is just top 20 . There's many more .
Speaker 3The Goats .
Speaker 2Yeah , the Beatles Number one . That's on this list of number one . Which people you know ? Whatever you want to put on that , but this list is explaining what now . Here's a list of the top 20 bands or artists , all time from the US . Okay , in the US that the US has played . Okay , the Beatles , obviously . All right , the Beatles . Elvis .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 2I see that , michael jackson , of course . Beach boys , oh yeah , bob dylan , okay , springsteen the eagles , okay , prince .
Speaker 3Yeah , stevie wonder heard of these so far right prince , by the way , is the only dude I know that can come out with me and still take your woman yeah , pretty much .
Speaker 2Come on , he was a little fella too yeah he had game stevie wonder yeah , I wonder nirvana okay metallica gotcha the doors okay , I see all that all right aerosmith oh , obviously madonna okay tupac , shakur , whitney Houston , kiss , rem , the Velvet Underground , and the list goes on , with different music genres and everything .
Speaker 3You know one name . I did not see on that Taylor freaking Swift . What happened to her ?
Speaker 2Oh , but she's on this list .
Speaker 3Oh , this list I'm sure of .
Speaker 2Here are some of the top musicians and musical artists in the US for 2024 . Number one Taylor Swift .
Speaker 3Yeah , because .
Speaker 2I want to know how and why .
Speaker 3Okay , I can tell you how .
Speaker 2What am I missing ?
Speaker 3And why ? Because teenagers run the freaking world right now , but it's not just teenagers going to these shows .
Speaker 2There's older women . She's not just teenagers going to these shows , she's not even a teenager .
Speaker 3No , she's in her 30s . I broke up with my boy . Now you're dating the quarterback . You stupid woman . No , Well , still .
Speaker 2The tight end Star player whatever . Let's not get that mixed up .
Speaker 3You get the jest .
Speaker 2Patrick Mahomes is married .
Speaker 3High school kind of crap .
Speaker 2Okay , the weekend .
Speaker 3I've actually heard of the weekend but I don't know any of their songs .
Speaker 2I've heard of a bad bunny .
Speaker 3I could get into that .
Speaker 2It's a major figure in Latin music . He's still on top with the I don't know man . It's a great Drake I Latin music . He's still on top with the I don't know man , drake I've heard of Drake BTS .
Speaker 3They're a .
Speaker 2K-pop band Beat the System . You could say Beat the System Billy Eilish .
Speaker 3Yeah , I've heard of that Post Malone ?
Speaker 2I've heard of Post Malone . Yeah , unfortunately . Ariana Grande I've heard of her . Harry Styles I've heard of her . Harry Styles , heard of him , olivia Rodrigo .
Speaker 3Oh , I thought you were going to say Olivia Newton-John .
Speaker 2No , no , I've heard of her .
Speaker 3Yeah , but not the other one . Nope , ed Sheeran , heard of him .
Speaker 2Is he an actor ? I think he is too , but he's a singer . Ed Sheeran .
Speaker 3Red hair , kind of reddish hair yeah , looks kind of nerdy , didn't he play opie ? No , that would be richie cunningham .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , little rich cunningham opie , aka ron howard little opie cunningham right . Imagine dragons . I've heard of them and I've done that ? How about doja cat ?
Speaker 3Doja Cat or Deja .
Speaker 2No , no , no , no , no , no no . Doja D-O-J-A Cat Doja .
Speaker 3Doja Cat . Doja Cat , I don't even know .
Speaker 2S-Z-A . Here it comes . Well , wait a minute . Here's one you might like Megan , three Stallion , megan . The Stallion , the Stallion , oh , the the Stallion , yeah , megan .
Speaker 3She likes pronouns , I like pronouns .
Speaker 2Let me she them movies Point it to this guy . Very empowering lyrics , oh , empowering Lizzo . Yeah , it's that fat woman , it doesn . Very empowering lyrics Lizzo , it's that fat woman . I think so . Doesn't say Lezzo , oh , not Lezzo . Oh , I was going to say no , no , no , no , no , no , no , no , no , no . Lizzo Travis Scott , I kind of know who he is . Spear box I have no idea . Two things First of all , music sounds pretty fucked up nowadays . And two , we're fucking old .
Speaker 3Way old .
Speaker 2Way old . Way old , I can pick five names out of this . I know Maybe six , I can pick two . That's pretty sad , but anyways , that's the difference .
Speaker 3On a good note , though I might be old , but I do know what a spear box is . It's a box to keep your spear in stupid .
Speaker 2I don't have one of those .
Speaker 3I know , but if you did have , you'd have a spear box to put it in .
Speaker 2I would See . Thank you for sharing that with me .
Speaker 3That's why I'm here .
Speaker 2I'll look for one next time I'm out shopping .
Speaker 3Yeah , don't look at Target .
Speaker 2Now to end this once and for all . I want to name independent artists that are actually doing well and making waves .
Speaker 3Okay .
Speaker 2I don't claim to know any of these , but one . I'm going to be front and honest with you , phoebe Bridges .
Speaker 3Hey , isn't she the girl on Friends no .
Speaker 2That's not the same one .
Speaker 3She should be on that list , phoebe , was it ? No , not on Friends . No , she sang Smelly Cat , smelly Cat .
Speaker 2That's not the same one . Oh , it's not .
Speaker 3No , she should be on that list . That's Phoebe . Was it Buffet ? Yeah , it's one of them Buffet things .
Speaker 2Okay , let me explain . Phoebe's unique blend of indie , rock and folk has garnered a dedicated following . Her vulnerable songwriting and collaborations with artists like Connor Arst and Taylor Swift have solidified her place in the indie scene .
Speaker 3Yeah , indeed .
Speaker 2I'm going to let you run with this one .
Speaker 3I'm going to run .
Speaker 2She collaborated with .
Speaker 3Taylor Swift yeah well , they're collaborators . Are they both scorned women ? I would . I'm convinced that neither one of them are women .
Speaker 2All right , all right . Well , let's move on
Indie Music Industry Rising Stars
Speaker 2. And Toby Nwigi Nwigi , yeah , he faked his death . Yeah , whatever his name is T-O-B-E-N-W-I G-W-E , he's a rapper , Nwigi , silly me .
Speaker 3Singer and songwriter with a distinctive , socially conscious style . Not only are you not going to know my name , you're not going to know what I'm saying .
Speaker 2He's conscious , though . Oh he's conscious . He's very , no , not conscious , he's conscious , oh he's aware he's aware Woke , he has a DIY approach .
Speaker 3Power visuals have earned him a loyal fan base with a series of viral performances and emphasizes roots and culture .
Speaker 2Oh , I know why . Here we go .
Speaker 3The warning I know them .
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 3Why are they so far down the list ?
Speaker 2It doesn't have any special order . These artists have actually made it being independent .
Speaker 3Oh , okay , cool .
Speaker 2This Mexican rock trio has been rising in the rock scene . With their explosive energy and tight musicianship , these three sisters have gained international attention and have toured extensively , pushing the boundaries of modern rock . And have been highlighted . They've been pretty damn awesome .
Speaker 3And have been highlighted on some wonderful podcasts .
Speaker 2Wonderful podcasts . That you know that good podcast . Yes , yeah , alright , arlo Parks .
Speaker 3That's how I All right . Arlo Parks , that's who I get my Weebrow . Oh shit , edit this .
Speaker 2That's a different . Evidently , I can't even I don't know if it's a guy or girl . Oh , wait a minute , it is a woman . I was like what the hell ?
Speaker 3No that's not him .
Speaker 2A poet and singer-songwriter from the UK . Arlo Parks blends soft indie , neo-soul and R&B influences . Her introspective lyrics and smooth vocals have attracted both critical acclaim and growing audience . There's the one I couldn't wait to get to Japanese breakfast .
Speaker 3I've had that before .
Speaker 2And .
Speaker 3Yeah , smells like sweat sake Sake .
Speaker 2That doesn't sound delicious at all . No it doesn't , why would you eat something like this ? You wouldn't , I wouldn't . Well , why did you get this breakfast ?
Speaker 3See , it was free .
Speaker 2Just because it's free doesn't mean it's for me .
Speaker 3It's like I told this some other motorcycle .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 3Just because you can do it don't mean you should .
Speaker 2You should right , it's a no-no . All right . Well , let me describe this band or woman Known for blending alternative sounds . Japanese Breakfast's emotional depth and experimental approach have drawn attention , particularly with the Grammy-nominated album Jubilee . Never heard of it . You've never heard of Jubilee . Have you heard of an artist called Saba , not Abba ?
Speaker 3Not to be confused . I almost did then .
Speaker 2Well , this is an independent Chicago rapper .
Speaker 3Oh see , why are they all rap ?
Speaker 2That's the thing , tom .
Speaker 3now that's what the young kids are listening to . Rap is a thing .
Speaker 2Yeah , it has a spot , man , people like it . Who are we to judge ? It's like us when we were younger , Like Dad , turn that shit down . Dad , it's Kiss . They're the greatest band ever . Sounds like shit , Noise Well . Anyways , Sav is introspective lyrics and intricate production have made him one of the most exciting voices in the underground rap scene . Alright Kudos , Last but not least on this list Soccer Mummy .
Speaker 3Oh , I want to go right out and buy that album . Soccer Mummy .
Speaker 2Soccer Mummy .
Speaker 3Wait a minute , wait a minute , ain't that on the no , no , no , no , no , no no . Oh , that's different .
Speaker 2Yeah , that's different .
Speaker 3Oh .
Speaker 2Let's not mention that .
Speaker 3Okay , oh , that's different , that's different .
Speaker 2Oh , let's not mention that , okay . Star of the show . Oh , okay , we won't go there . A rising star in indie rock , soccer Mummy , aka Sophie Allison See , I still think we're okay , we won't go there Makes lo-fi production with introspective and often alcoholic lyrics .
Speaker 3See , I swear it's her .
Speaker 2No , no , she doesn't say that at all , man , I'm just making that up . Oh jesus . Her sound resonates with a growing crowd of indian alt-rock bands . No , these artists have found success through a mix of authentic storytelling , distinctive styles , grassroots efforts , often leveraging them platforms like bandcamp to engage directly with their fans . I can tell you , cause I know so much about him right now the warning did not use bank . No , I heard an interesting tidbit on how it all started with warning . I want to get this out quick . Remember how the sand man kind of put them up there right .
Speaker 2But made him go viral . That supposedly was supposed to be emailed to their grandparents . Okay , it was too big to go email to their grandparents , so they put it on YouTube . Went on vacation so their parents could watch it on YouTube . Their grandparents Came back and the thing's gone viral , Wow . So if it ever went through the email and they never put it on YouTube , I always wonder what if ? What would have happened ? Sure , they're talented , they would have made it eventually . But anyways , that's our little music information for today , and I'll throw my little two cents right there .
Speaker 2I would love to hear your little two cents .
Speaker 3Everybody . A lot of folks worry about how come they pray before they do . They're very family oriented and I think that they're blessed . That's why that they're blessed .
Speaker 2That's why that they are blessed .
Speaker 3That's why it was opened up .
Speaker 2That's why they're so . Because they pray before , because they're in touch with the spiritual side of it , and it's there's something spiritual about music that just it's different when you have a tight family like that . It really is . You know , and let's be honest , and I know this from experience Spanish people make . They're very family oriented , absolutely Very family . I mean , we see that I don't mean it's a rude way , but then it's 10 , 12 of them in a freaking house , man .
Speaker 3Yeah , they love each other , they take care of their own though , yes thing .
Speaker 2And before I ended , again , those independent artists I just talked about . We made fun of some of the names , but check them out , give them some love , give all of them some love . They're out there doing stuff , making , you know , making their own way , not using any big time record . There's a reason they call them independent they pay for everything they pay for all of their stuff I may have hacked some of their names , but definitely sound like interesting artists and of course , I'm always in the back of the morning .
Speaker 3How can you hack Bad Bunny ?
Speaker 2I don't know .
Speaker 3Yeah , there you go . I'm thinking about looking them up . They sound interesting .
Speaker 2Very interesting .
Chicken Little and the Bear Poke
Speaker 2Is it time for the little ones ? I believe it is . Oh boy , I can't wait , I'm going to go take a leak anyway , so I don't even want to hear what they have to say .
Speaker 3Yeah , there you go .
Speaker 2We'll be back in a bit folks .
Speaker 3Yeah , maybe .
Speaker 4Oh , wow , wow , buddy . What's going on ? Oh , not a whole lot . What is going on ? I'm still in a fantastic mood . Okay , well , good for you .
Speaker 4Well , that was a great story on all that music , shit that I don't understand . Yeah well , you don't understand a lot of stuff . What are you talking about ? I understand plenty . Okay , yeah , you know what your problem is . You always think the sky's falling . You're very negative . Yeah well , you're like Chicken Little . Yeah well , keep bringing up negative shit . I'm happy .
Speaker 4There was a good story , so why would you bring up something stupid like Chicken Little ? Oh , I'm just talking , you're negative like the sky's falling , just like that stupid chicken . No , the sky falling isn't the whole story about that stupid thing . Well , the sky never fell Exactly , so why'd they make a big damn deal about it ? It's a children's book Children , yeah , okay . Well , let's teach children how to section people out . Okay , okay Well , chicken Little was probably the poor kid in the class .
Speaker 4Why ? Well , because he's the only one that didn't have a damn matching name Ducky , lucky , goosey , loosey , fopsy , lopsy . Wait a minute , chicken Little , how you poor , you don't get a matching name . That's sad . What the hell's happy about that ? I don't think that's the way the story is , I think he he sticks out , yeah , like a sore thumb , like a poor kid in a classroom . Ducky lucky's not run around and say the sky's falling , he's going to grow up to live in a trailer park and have a whole two-pound set of keys on a chain and talk about it . Well , will a reporter ask him if he saw it ? Yeah , he'd think it all . Right , he's sad , it's terrible . Why is he sad ? Well , okay , we have a children's book , one of the most popular books in the whole world . Okay , I'll go with that with you . Okay , we have For kids , ducky Lucky . Oh , yeah , we have Goosey Loosey .
Speaker 4All right , we have Foxy Loxy , yeah . Why don't we have Chicken Licking no , no , no See . Why don't we have chicken licking no , no , no See . Then somebody would be eating him . No , no , no , like chicken licking good . Okay , that's finger licking good , and that was some dude in Kentucky . Yeah , I know , but you've got to confuse it . People would confuse it Not really , because when Kentucky people hear it they'll think it's squirrel . Ah , finger licking good . Kentucky fried's squirrel , finger licking good , kentucky Fried Tree Squirrel , okay , tree Chicken , anyway .
Speaker 4Okay , I'm just , I'm appalled that this makes you happy . It even pisses me off more . That's not what made me happy . I grew up as a poor kid . The story made me happy , not that story . I just said you sounded like Chicken Little , I do . Yeah , you're negative . Well , maybe that's because I was Chicken Little . I was the poor kid . Ah , yeah , ha , ha , there it is , yep , there it is . That nerve , yeah , wow , touch the bear where you hurt , said the therapist . So they made the story about your sorry ass . Well , that's how it sounds Happier . See , that's funny as hell . Okay , where's that damn toy with that helicopter ? I'm ready to go . You're like a star , yeah , a star Shooting star . Make a wish , damn it . I'm telling you Shooting star Make a wish , damn it . I'm telling you one thing what Chicken little ? Okay , first off , a foxy loxy would have done eight Goosey Lucy , and the whole thing wouldn't have been a children's program then . Well , why would foxy loxy eat Goosey Lucy ?
Speaker 1We're talking real shit here . I said Goosey Lucy .
Speaker 4Yeah , well , she probably was . But it was Goosey Lucy . Yeah , well , she was . Why was she like that ? Well , because Foxy Loxy played , and then Ducky got lucky . And see , I told you it's the same thing , and you said no , it's not that we're rated R , not X . No , it's not that we're rated R , not X . Well , turns out Chicken Little . Yeah , he reminds me of the boy that cried wolf , same thing , why , well , how's that ? The same thing ? Because he kept saying wolf , wolf . There was no wolf , okay , so he's a liar . Oh , this guy's fallen . This guy never fell . Yeah , chicken Little , see where I'm getting at . Yeah , chicken Little , see where I'm getting at . Yeah , chicken Little's a liar . So both of them are yeah , okay . So , except the stupid boy at the end cried wolf . It really was one and no one helped him and he got eight .
Speaker 4Well he's an idiot . Yeah , well see , you play stupid games . You win stupid prizes . That doesn't sound like a good prize at all . That's why it's a stupid prize . Yeah , well see , now you're figuring your own shit out . Wow , that's pretty good . So what do you need me for ? I'm out of here . Wow , I guess we really don't Well , exactly , bye , bye . See ya , I'm out of here . Alrighty , later , yeah , goosey loosey , later Bye , baby , goosey loosey , later Bye .
Speaker 2Baby . Well , that was quite interesting , short but sweet , interesting .
Speaker 3Yeah , I think for once we pissed the little guy off worse than he was .
Speaker 2Chicken Little bothers him that much .
Speaker 3Well , I think it hit a nerve because he felt a little left out of place , like Chicken Little was supposed to feel . Wow .
Speaker 2Oh well .
Speaker 3He took offense to a children's story the other guy found it amusing . Yeah , he does . He finds everything . Anytime the other guy's pissed off , the other guy finds it amusing .
Speaker 2Seems to find humor in it .
Speaker 3Yeah , he loves it . I think he pokes the bear .
Speaker 2Nothing wrong with poking the bear .
Speaker 3Oh , every once in a while you have to poke the bear .
Speaker 2You just have to be careful for the retaliation Don't let the bear get the stick . No , no , no , Anyway . So football tomorrow , buddy .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'm ready .
Speaker 2Our games finally . Yeah finally , games that matter to us .
Speaker 3Yeah , we're going to see if they matter to us .
Speaker 2I noticed the points per in the Pats game went down though the seven instead of nine and a half .
Speaker 3Well , that's because they're actually thinking about showing up .
Speaker 2Cincinnati's going to smoke them .
Speaker 3I don't know .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm pretty sure it's going to happen , but hey , I'll watch them . I was a Pats fan since 1969 , 1970 .
Speaker 377 for me and the Broncos .
Speaker 2I still don't understand how you became a Broncos fan living in the cornfields of Kansas . Well , I was closer Even when you moved here .
Speaker 3I was closer to Denver growing up than I was to Kansas City .
Speaker 2Oh , so you were west .
Speaker 3So I was very west Northwest corner . I was okay , let me put it this way , it was a 45-minute drive to the Colorado State line . Shit , let me put it this way , it was a 45 minute drive to the Colorado State line .
Speaker 2Shit . Yeah , you were close .
Speaker 3I was 8 and a half hours from Kansas City .
Speaker 2Now , how far were you from Denver ?
Speaker 3About 3 and a half hours maybe .
Speaker 2Okay , yeah , a little bit of a ride .
Speaker 3Yeah , still 3 . 3 and a half hours .
Speaker 2Better than the 8 .
Speaker 3eight . Yeah , and you should be very careful when you stop at uh the stop , the rest stops there moms between denver and kansas is it why ? I remember being there all night one time .
Speaker 2Well , I don't really what's wrong with the diner ?
Speaker 3I remember not the diner . I'm talking about roadside stops .
Speaker 2Like what .
Speaker 3Like a roadside rest area .
Speaker 2Oh , where all the pee-pee touches are .
Speaker 3Well , they didn't used to be .
Speaker 2They just used to like .
Speaker 3Back in the day it was safe to do weird shit and pass out all through .
Speaker 2Well , I can tell you right now , there were certain ones up north where all the little butt buddies would go and meet up .
Speaker 3No , no , no .
Speaker 2I'm telling you they had to close those down .
Speaker 3I would say yeah , butt buddies . Yeah , go .
Speaker 2Nothing against your butt buddies being all fun .
Speaker 3Yeah , that gives rest area a new meaning .
Speaker 2You have your vehicle . Do you have to go to a rest area when families have to pee and people see you ? That's the thing .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , well .
Speaker 3So that's where my dog learned to hump my leg Exactly .
Speaker 2Thank you , play my butt buddy . Yeah , anyways , another good session . I enjoyed today I think next week we'll be still on our discussion of music yeah , yeah , there's a lot another rabbit hole that we're into here yeah , there's a lot , but anyways once again , folks , I want you can listen to us on Spotify , amazon , iheart , deezer , player FM , fathom FM , buzzsprout website and , most importantly , our website .
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Speaker 2No , no , no crap . We criticize everything and everybody anyways . So , coming back to us , is it a big deal ?
Speaker 3somebody once said that tragedy is a growing thing .
Speaker 2A growing thing .
Speaker 3Yeah , it helps you grow .
Speaker 2Helps me grow ? To what ?
Speaker 3As a person .
Speaker 2Like a flower .
Speaker 3Yeah .
Speaker 2Like a tree .
Speaker 3Yeah , like a butterfly flapping its wings in China .
Speaker 2Oh , it can be free .
Speaker 3That causes a tsunami in wherever the lake is .
Speaker 2Butterfly effect . I saw that movie I did too . It's pretty freak .
Speaker 3Well anyways there you go .
Speaker 2Until next week .
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Speaker 2We went later .
Speaker 1And that's it , folks . You've survived yet another mind blowing episode of the MT alternative podcast . Congratulations . Give yourself a pat on the back , or don't ? Mike and Tom will allegedly be back next week , assuming they don't get lost in their deep philosophical thoughts about I don't know what breakfast cereal best represents modern politics . Until then , do something productive or just continue scrolling aimlessly through your phone . We both know how this is going to end Good night or good day . Time's a construct . Anyway , we'll see you next time .
